Comments on: TRUMP!: What Now? …To The Convention (1 of 3) https://ropersanchor.jamesjheaney.com/2016/05/04/trump-what-now-to-the-convention-part-1-of-3/ "And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?" Mon, 09 May 2016 13:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: sugabee43 https://ropersanchor.jamesjheaney.com/2016/05/04/trump-what-now-to-the-convention-part-1-of-3/#comment-151276 Mon, 09 May 2016 13:07:00 +0000 https://www.jamesjheaney.com/?p=1406#comment-151276 In reply to Barb.

Trump supporters themselves may not be liberals, but Mr. Trump most certainly is; he’s financially supported and voted for liberal politicians (which includes some Republicans) and causes virtually all of his adult life. He may have recently switched parties, but that still makes him a liberal; just a Republican one.
Yes, unfortunately, many members of the Republican party have been so angry that they are willing to follow Trump into the fray. While I am definitely as angry as they are, I refuse to back a man as flawed as Trump, who is obviously liberal.
As far as the fornicating/adultery et al..- that comes in all stripes, not just liberal/conservative, Democrat/Republican. At least Trump’s ex-wives had the decency to leave the cheater and not aid and destroy the lives of the women he had sex with (like Hillary)…and the women were consenting, unlike some of Bill’s (allegedly). Hillary, I suspect, didn’t ‘stand by her man’ because she loves him and forgives him; it was politically expedient for HER to stay.
As far as Alinsky..well, he was well-known enough to be considered the ‘father of community organizing’, mentioned in “Time” magazine while still alive, and earned many accolades both before and after his life. So I would venture to disagree with your assessment that he was a “nobody”.

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By: PatH https://ropersanchor.jamesjheaney.com/2016/05/04/trump-what-now-to-the-convention-part-1-of-3/#comment-151266 Fri, 06 May 2016 13:30:00 +0000 https://www.jamesjheaney.com/?p=1406#comment-151266 I’ve been doing the same thing on my blog, that you have been on this one. I.e, tracking the delegate count march to disaster. My last entry here: http://lexanteinternet.blogspot.com/2016/05/tracking-presidential-election-2016_5.html

Glad to know that I’m sadly not alone.

I’m doing the same thing as you as well, working on a “now what” in re a conservative party in the future, which I think needs to be a rebuilt GOP.

My take on Trump supporters is a bit different, and I’ll be posting on that, but I don’t think that they’re liberals or fools. . . well, maybe fooled, but really angry and therefore wholly irrational. The amazing thing is that they seriously believe they’ll win. This is obviously completely untrue. The GOP is going to go down in the biggest defeat its experienced since 1964, and it’ll richly deserve it for a variety of reasons. The trouble will be, we will all pay the price.

Over the next four years, as I note in my entry above, we’re going to get at least three Supreme Court nominees that will remake the court into the most liberal entity that body has ever been. It will take over a generation to undo the mistakes that will create, and many of them we’ll never undo. In 2020, when the first Clinton term is up, this nation will have probably gutted the Second Amendment, and have enshrined the complete aberration of the nature of gender as an anti-natural right. And when that occurs, and the rebuilding starts, and the Trumpites (and Cruzites for that matter) express surprise, they ought to be reminded that this was their gift to the nation.

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By: Barb https://ropersanchor.jamesjheaney.com/2016/05/04/trump-what-now-to-the-convention-part-1-of-3/#comment-151259 Thu, 05 May 2016 09:59:00 +0000 https://www.jamesjheaney.com/?p=1406#comment-151259 In reply to Colin Corcoran.

Yes, you don’t like him. Yes, those are all things you and your fellow right wingers define making somebody a liberal. Liberals do not agree. Here’s a trick: No one who has a clue what a liberal is would ever cite “Saul Alinsky.” Allinsky is a nobody who the right-wing ideological press dragged out of obscurity to attack people it doesn’t like. Citing him shows you are an idiot. Right wingers don’t get to decide who a liberal is. What you just did would be akin to me trying to prove Trump is a conservative because he is a racist who hates women, belittles the disabled, and uses racist attacks against minorities to rally his people. That’s much of how the left defines conservatives. So if the left gets to define conservatives, he’s a conservative. Here’s a less ideologically-driven observation: Trump’s a narcissist. But conservatives don’t get to decide who a liberal is, no matter how many times you tell each other that you do. That’s propaganda. You did not refute a thing I said.

Concerning, for example, Trump, ‘fornicating and committing adultery’ I assume you mean as opposed to a good conservative like Dennis Hastert? Or Newt Gingrich?

This essay was beneth James, who sometimes, in spite of his ideological haze, can display a sharp mind. I’ve already spent more time on you than you deserve.

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By: Colin Corcoran https://ropersanchor.jamesjheaney.com/2016/05/04/trump-what-now-to-the-convention-part-1-of-3/#comment-151258 Thu, 05 May 2016 06:23:00 +0000 https://www.jamesjheaney.com/?p=1406#comment-151258 In reply to Barb.

Anyone who has studied Trumps actual record realizes that he has long been a liberal at heart – We’re talking about the man who while fornicating and committing adultery all over the place described his bouts with VD as his own personal Vietnam. We’re talking about a man who changed his position on abortion 3 times in one day. We’re talking about a man who spent most of his life a registered democrat and has given heavily to many progressive democrat politicians and causes. He supported men in women’s bathrooms – and he lied about Ted Cruz’s father being part of the plot to assassinate Kennedy. He is a pathological liar that talks a great deal while saying nothing of substance tossing out nebulous words like winner, amazing, great, brilliant – but never any details. PT Barnum would be proud, as would Saul Alinsky whose playbook he used just as successfully as Obama did. You do know he supports single payer nationalized healthcare – right? Obamacare was bad – but that will be worse. Good luck with that – but as for me #NEVER_TRUMP

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By: Barb https://ropersanchor.jamesjheaney.com/2016/05/04/trump-what-now-to-the-convention-part-1-of-3/#comment-151257 Thu, 05 May 2016 02:40:00 +0000 https://www.jamesjheaney.com/?p=1406#comment-151257 As I stated last summer… Trump supporters are NOT liberals. They are people who listen to Rush and Fox and Fox-related news and entertainment. They have been told for years that government is the problem, and everyone in government is incompetent and corrupt, while businesspeople are virtuous and good. That means only Trump, Fiorina, and Carson were good. They believe that the Democrats are the Visigoths coming over the wall, representing non-white invading hordes who will, unless stopped, take over the nation and bring on the dark ages.

Liberals in this election come in a few stripes; Sanders supporters, Clinton supporters, and a small number of third parties for those who prefer to be powerless. Liberals do not support Trump.

The fact that somebody disagrees with you does not make them a liberal.

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By: James J Heaney https://ropersanchor.jamesjheaney.com/2016/05/04/trump-what-now-to-the-convention-part-1-of-3/#comment-151255 Wed, 04 May 2016 22:07:39 +0000 https://www.jamesjheaney.com/?p=1406#comment-151255 Comments open.

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